Two years after launch Windows 11 adoption is still waaaay behind Windows 10

[cpufrost]

Disabling those features including uninstalling works initially but it will come back later, often surreptitiously. Like many unwanted programs.
I'm in the crowd that will install what I need when I need it. None of this forced nonsense. Copilot comes to mind. As with search clutter. The OS needs to be just that; a foundation that lets the computer run and the user can install what they want/need.

Another example is annoying behavior is MS Edge changing itself to the default handler to PDFs. If someone uses a program, often a paid program, to handle PDFs and registers that to open them, Edge should NOT be changing this on its own. This is annoying AF to people that just need to use their computer as a tool for work (like millions do!) and increases frustration factor un-necessarily.

And too, hitting on the OP, forcing everyone to use a MS account is just awful. Sure, technically competent users can easily sidestep this but the millions of "typical" users will comply. Even worse they use their work/school email to associate with a MS account. And don't get me started on OneDrive and now Teams.

Yes I'd love to use nix as a primary driver but there are too many programs I need that won't work. But for everything else that doesn't need Win, there's a distro out there that works well.

 

[ManofGod]

Disabling those features including uninstalling works initially but it will come back later, often surreptitiously. Like many unwanted programs.
I'm in the crowd that will install what I need when I need it. None of this forced nonsense. Copilot comes to mind. As with search clutter. The OS needs to be just that; a foundation that lets the computer run and the user can install what they want/need.

Another example is annoying behavior is MS Edge changing itself to the default handler to PDFs. If someone uses a program, often a paid program, to handle PDFs and registers that to open them, Edge should NOT be changing this on its own. This is annoying AF to people that just need to use their computer as a tool for work (like millions do!) and increases frustration factor un-necessarily.

And too, hitting on the OP, forcing everyone to use a MS account is just awful. Sure, technically competent users can easily sidestep this but the millions of "typical" users will comply. Even worse they use their work/school email to associate with a MS account. And don't get me started on OneDrive and now Teams.

Yes I'd love to use nix as a primary driver but there are too many programs I need that won't work. But for everything else that doesn't need Win, there's a distro out there that works well.

Perhaps you are right, perhaps not. I personally have not yet seen edge force it's way back to a pdf viewer mode. However, I work in a plant with a corporate network so that is probably why.

We use Teams, on drive and Office 365 and it mostly just works. At home, my Win11 computer is working well.

 

[cpufrost]

My biggest issue with Teams is default auto starting.
It's amazing how much faster a well optimized Windows system is compared to the out of the box experience. Particularly with vendor preloads with ridiculous amounts of crapware.

 

[lopoetve]

If you do, security has failed.
I'd rather not go down this rabbit hole and go way OT here, do your research and conclude for yourself.

I work in the security industry. I've done my research. Have you?

Security ALWAYS fails. Assume breach. Always.

 

[lopoetve]

My biggest issue with Teams is default auto starting.
It's amazing how much faster a well optimized Windows system is compared to the out of the box experience. Particularly with vendor preloads with ridiculous amounts of crapware.

Teams auto-starting and ignoring the "don't start" option is garbage through and through. It's also a shitty program regardless.

 

[AlphaQup]

I'm just curious, is there anyone else out there working for a company still rolling Win10 out with newly imaged machines? We've been hearing "soon" our Win11 baseline images will be available from SecOps for almost 2 years now, apparently the Intune/MECM/Win11 cocktail has just plain baffled our folks (not too surprised... outsourcing to lower cost countries never has a downside)... This is a lowest common denominator type image to boot! Seems like every step of the way required a MS ticket to be entered too, weeks delays for smaller items just to open a new one for something slightly different.

It's getting to the point where we're going to be hammered by the "upgrade all 2k+ of your end user devices to Win11" projects... let alone give us adequate time to tailor automation for the customizations we require post-image. 80% will be fine like always, but then you deal with the 20% manually in some fashion...

Frustrating!

 

[Lakados]

I'm just curious, is there anyone else out there working for a company still rolling Win10 out with newly imaged machines? We've been hearing "soon" our Win11 baseline images will be available from SecOps for almost 2 years now, apparently the Intune/MECM/Win11 cocktail has just plain baffled our folks (not too surprised... outsourcing to lower cost countries never has a downside)... This is a lowest common denominator type image to boot! Seems like every step of the way required a MS ticket to be entered too, weeks delays for smaller items just to open a new one for something slightly different.

It's getting to the point where we're going to be hammered by the "upgrade all 2k+ of your end user devices to Win11" projects... let alone give us adequate time to tailor automation for the customizations we require post-image. 80% will be fine like always, but then you deal with the 20% manually in some fashion...

Frustrating!

I just bought a block of Microsoft’s time to hold my hand through it. In 4 hours they identified what I had fucked up in my Intune and GPO that was preventing it from working and another 8 hours to fix it and send me on my way to make the final changes to properly deploy it.

12 hours of their time and I shit you not $450 USD… How the F are they that cheap…

Anyways…

Yeah, I’ll be doing a full Win 11 roll out for all devices with TPM2.0 in July.

 

[Lakados]

In case any of you were wondering what I had done wrong it was primarily my GPOs interfering with Intune and legacy configs for Win 8 and older were actively breaking the Win 11 items.
So they took me from well over 30 GPOs as I do my best to ensure that each GPO only did a single thing, down to maybe 8, and most of them are configuring what is needed to get the Windows 10 and 11 machines into Intune.
Intune is now pushing out all the settings that the GPOs previously did, instead of doing things on a single feature basis, it is just implementing best practices in a profile config so each covers a concept, not a setting. So even then it's taken the 25+ GPOs I had and boiled it down to 5 profiles instead.

Then instead of having pre-done images we have software profiles and when a device is enrolled to Intune and assigned a profile it then deploys the software, based on the device and user rules in place. And the best part is that step can be done at the OEM level, so I can get say Dell an API key so they can enroll the new purchases directly and get the preset defaults on in place before they even ship.

 

[wandplus]

I'm still waiting for Win12 for the desktop UI but I don't want to create an account and would rather avoid the data snooping.

 

[pendragon1]

I'm still waiting for Win12 for the desktop UI but I don't want to create an account and would rather avoid the data snooping.

keep waiting then, it hasnt even been announced yet. use pro and you dont need an account, and you can disable most of it in setup. thinking it wont be there if/when 12 comes is funny...

 

[AlphaQup]

I just bought a block of Microsoft’s time to hold my hand through it. In 4 hours they identified what I had fucked up in my Intune and GPO that was preventing it from working and another 8 hours to fix it and send me on my way to make the final changes to properly deploy it.

12 hours of their time and I shit you not $450 USD… How the F are they that cheap…

Anyways…

Yeah, I’ll be doing a full Win 11 roll out for all devices with TPM2.0 in July.

I'm stoked by your results, I had no idea MS could ever resolve issues that cheap! A success story for the ages lol.

Given the size of our organization, our acquisitional nature... I cannot imagine the gremlins hiding in our hundfeds/thousands of various client-end GPO's. To an extent I get it, but at the same time, i know we opted for support contracts with these major players and running skeleton crews on these central teams.

Just starting having random Commvault job failures Monday on seemingly random VM's and what do you know, another support ticket opened with the vendor. Tis the way of the future in these large organizations it seems.

 

[Lakados]

I'm stoked by your results, I had no idea MS could ever resolve issues that cheap! A success story for the ages lol.

Given the size of our organization, our acquisitional nature... I cannot imagine the gremlins hiding in our hundfeds/thousands of various client-end GPO's. To an extent I get it, but at the same time, i know we opted for support contracts with these major players and running skeleton crews on these central teams.

Just starting having random Commvault job failures Monday on seemingly random VM's and what do you know, another support ticket opened with the vendor. Tis the way of the future in these large organizations it seems.

Yeah I just got mad at it signed into the Intune Admin portal, created a support ticket, and it went from there.

I had gone through their guide a half dozen times and gotten nowhere so I figured before I sign a bigger contract for big money why not give them a shot.

 

[DukenukemX]

"Windows 10 reaches 70% market share as Windows 11 keeps declining". Maybe Microsoft should stop putting ads in Windows 11? I like how a few pages back some people attacked me for pointing out a fake ad image. It's the children that was wrong, right guys?
https://www.neowin.net/news/windows-10-reaches-70-market-share-as-windows-11-keeps-declining/

"According to Statcounter, in April 2024, Windows 11 lost 0.97 points, going down from 26.68% to 25.65%. All those users seemingly went for Windows 10 since the OS, which will soon turn nine, crossed the 70% mark for the first time since September 2023, gaining 0.96 points."

"Some argue that Windows 11 still offers little to no benefits for upgrading, especially in light of Microsoft killing some of the system's unique features, such as Windows Subsystem for Android. Add to that the ever-increasing number of ads, some of which are quite shameless, and you get an operating system that has a hard time winning hearts and minds and retaining its customers."

 

[Shoganai]

"Windows 10 reaches 70% market share as Windows 11 keeps declining". Maybe Microsoft should stop putting ads in Windows 11? I like how a few pages back some people attacked me for pointing out a fake ad image. It's the children that was wrong, right guys?
https://www.neowin.net/news/windows-10-reaches-70-market-share-as-windows-11-keeps-declining/

The image you posted is still a fake image. You were roasted because it was nonsense. In fact, that image is still fake to this very day. Some say it will still be a fake image in the future as well. Microsoft injecting diarrhea into the OS is very real. Nobody was denying that. Just don't post fake images.

Windows 11 is turning out to be a dumpster fire, and it appears to be getting worse with the advent of this garbage, data-harvesting, nightmare AI that nobody asked for. Part of the problem as well, though, was making an astronomical amount of hardware obsolete. Many computers can't even run Windows 11 because of the TPM nonsense. I've told a lot of clients if they want to use it, they'll have to upgrade their computers, but that there's no reason to because it doesn't really offer much for them. The only reason to upgrade might be for security reasons when Microsoft support for Windows 10 expires October 14th next year. Microsoft sucks and their suckiness is escalating daily. They're a garbage company run by garbage people.

 

[1_rick]

Windows 11 is turning out to be a dumpster fire, and it appears to be getting worse

Today I noticed a little orange dot on my user icon at the bottom of the new, ad-friendly Start blob. Moused over it, saw this:

So I clicked on the icon

Damn it.

 

[Shoganai]

Today I noticed a little orange dot on my user icon at the bottom of the new, ad-friendly Start blob. Moused over it, saw this:
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So I clicked on the icon
View attachment 651311

Damn it.

There should be a third option that says Piss Off. I hate badge icons that I can't make go away with the fiery burning rage of a thousand dying stars.

 

[Zarathustra[H]]

There should be a third option that says Piss Off. I hate badge icons that I can't make go away with the fiery burning rage of a thousand dying stars.

 

[Ranulfo]

Today I noticed a little orange dot on my user icon at the bottom of the new, ad-friendly Start blob. Moused over it, saw this:
View attachment 651310
So I clicked on the icon
View attachment 651311

Damn it.

Yeah, I forget when I first saw this in win10. It was at least earlier this year if not last fall. First time I saw it I thought there was a pending windows update or something waiting to go.

 

[DukenukemX]

The image you posted is still a fake image. You were roasted because it was nonsense. In fact, that image is still fake to this very day. Some say it will still be a fake image in the future as well.

The image is fake but the ads are real. Microsoft had wanted to inject ads into Windows 11 and they're now doing it. It doesn't matter if the image is fake when the results are the same. Microsoft had ads in their Insider builds of Windows 11. May not be ads in file explorer now, but Microsoft found another way. The intent was there. It's not like Microsoft's heart grew three sizes and realized what they were doing. They have shareholders and want to make more money.

Windows 11 is turning out to be a dumpster fire, and it appears to be getting worse with the advent of this garbage, data-harvesting, nightmare AI that nobody asked for.

To be fair, they were doing that on Windows 10. Windows 10 was working fine for most people.

Part of the problem as well, though, was making an astronomical amount of hardware obsolete. Many computers can't even run Windows 11 because of the TPM nonsense.

That was a big mistake on their end. They can't even force people to upgrade to Windows 11 like they did with Windows 10.

I've told a lot of clients if they want to use it, they'll have to upgrade their computers, but that there's no reason to because it doesn't really offer much for them. The only reason to upgrade might be for security reasons when Microsoft support for Windows 10 expires October 14th next year. Microsoft sucks and their suckiness is escalating daily. They're a garbage company run by garbage people.

Now you know why I switched to Linux about 2 years ago. It wasn't because Linux was better but because I knew the direction Microsoft was going with Windows. People will just stick with Windows 10 for years to come, like Windows XP. The lack of security updates will be a big problem.

 

[Shoganai]

The image is fake but the ads are real. Microsoft had wanted to inject ads into Windows 11 and they're now doing it. It doesn't matter if the image is fake when the results are the same. Microsoft had ads in their Insider builds of Windows 11. May not be ads in file explorer now, but Microsoft found another way. The intent was there. It's not like Microsoft's heart grew three sizes and realized what they were doing. They have shareholders and want to make more money.

Yes, I get it. Microsoft sucks.

To be fair, they were doing that on Windows 10. Windows 10 was working fine for most people.

Yes, I agree.

That was a big mistake on their end. They can't even force people to upgrade to Windows 11 like they did with Windows 10.

The irony. They did this to themselves.

Now you know why I switched to Linux about 2 years ago. It wasn't because Linux was better but because I knew the direction Microsoft was going with Windows. People will just stick with Windows 10 for years to come, like Windows XP. The lack of security updates will be a big problem.

I'm about ready to just stick with my Mac for computer-related things and only game on my Switch and PS5. I'm tired of dealing with Microsoft's insane stupidity. OpenEmu for emulating classic video games is also amazing on the Mac: https://openemu.org/

 

[blandead]

"Windows 10 reaches 70% market share as Windows 11 keeps declining". Maybe Microsoft should stop putting ads in Windows 11? I like how a few pages back some people attacked me for pointing out a fake ad image. It's the children that was wrong, right guys?
https://www.neowin.net/news/windows-10-reaches-70-market-share-as-windows-11-keeps-declining/

"According to Statcounter, in April 2024, Windows 11 lost 0.97 points, going down from 26.68% to 25.65%. All those users seemingly went for Windows 10 since the OS, which will soon turn nine, crossed the 70% mark for the first time since September 2023, gaining 0.96 points."

"Some argue that Windows 11 still offers little to no benefits for upgrading, especially in light of Microsoft killing some of the system's unique features, such as Windows Subsystem for Android. Add to that the ever-increasing number of ads, some of which are quite shameless, and you get an operating system that has a hard time winning hearts and minds and retaining its customers."

It'll be real interesting to see the official LTSC version without that nonsense

 

[Armenius]

"Windows 10 reaches 70% market share as Windows 11 keeps declining". Maybe Microsoft should stop putting ads in Windows 11? I like how a few pages back some people attacked me for pointing out a fake ad image. It's the children that was wrong, right guys?
https://www.neowin.net/news/windows-10-reaches-70-market-share-as-windows-11-keeps-declining/

"According to Statcounter, in April 2024, Windows 11 lost 0.97 points, going down from 26.68% to 25.65%. All those users seemingly went for Windows 10 since the OS, which will soon turn nine, crossed the 70% mark for the first time since September 2023, gaining 0.96 points."

"Some argue that Windows 11 still offers little to no benefits for upgrading, especially in light of Microsoft killing some of the system's unique features, such as Windows Subsystem for Android. Add to that the ever-increasing number of ads, some of which are quite shameless, and you get an operating system that has a hard time winning hearts and minds and retaining its customers."

Isn't StatCounter the one that tracks operating system usage by web traffic, tracking hits and not unique users? That isn't a reliable metric to go by for market share and never was.

 

[Lakados]

Isn't StatCounter the one that tracks operating system usage by web traffic, tracking hits and not unique users? That isn't a reliable metric to go by for market share and never was.

Also most modern browsers and add blockers will block the cookies and scripts used by those sites that count them to begin with. So it’s mostly tracking users with older browsers or those not running add blockers. Worse yet depending on what sites they are monitoring what they could be reading are the browsers and operating systems used by comment farms.

 

[Darunion]

Weird how we hate data collection but then like to use it as needed.

 

[blandead]

Weird how we hate data collection but then like to use it as needed.

Copilot ftw...

 

[M76]

Copilot ftw...

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Copilot for those too lazy to click on search results. Also I'm pretty sure 5.25% is above 5%. You can never trust generative AI.
MS has an entire department dedicated to using AI responsibly yet they have no problem rolling it out to tasks like this where it can easily make up fake news.

 

[bigdogchris]

I don't get the hate for 11. At least at work, we use the Enterprise edition and don't have ads and stupid shit, and it's a simple registry entry pushed out to default start button to the left side. Otherwise, it's just a nicer OS than 10 IMO. I'm happily rolling it out and no one knows any better and there are zero complaints.

 

[1_rick]

Also I'm pretty sure 5.25% is above 5%.

My guess is that Copilot was thinking in terms of whole numbers. It's not as if generative AI actually knows anything but how to string words together. 5 (rounded) is not greater than 5.

 

[1_rick]

I don't get the hate for 11.

I'm already annoyed by the little red dot next to my account name that got added recently, nagging me to fix an issue with my account, which is that I'm not signed in with my MS account instead of my local one, for example. Oh, and the truncated context menus in Explorer.

 

[techie81]

I don't get the hate for 11. At least at work, we use the Enterprise edition and don't have ads and stupid shit, and it's a simple registry entry pushed out to default start button to the left side. Otherwise, it's just a nicer OS than 10 IMO. I'm happily rolling it out and no one knows any better and there are zero complaints.

You are literally using a version of windows 11 that has all the crap removed that people are complaining about. That's why you don't understand the hate.

A product that you have paid for shouldn't have ads ANYWHERE.

 

[Armenius]

Weird how we hate data collection but then like to use it as needed.

Data without context and analysis is useless. Look at the whole dumbass "man vs. bear" argument that popped up on social media recently.

 

[Darunion]

Data without context and analysis is useless. Look at the whole dumbass "man vs. bear" argument that popped up on social media recently.

Okay so it wasnt just some algorithm showing that to me. I have no idea what it is/was and just didn't bother looking it up, but yea im seeing it on everything.

 

[bigdogchris]

You are literally using a version of windows 11 that has all the crap removed that people are complaining about. That's why you don't understand the hate.

A product that you have paid for shouldn't have ads ANYWHERE.

I understand that completely. But having ads shouldn't stop you from using an OS that's superior in every other way.

I didn't stay on 7 because I didn't like 8's start menu (I found a way around that) just like I didn't stay on 8 because I didn't like 10's start menu.

But I suppose if enough people fight back maybe MSFT will pull some of the ads and other annoyances from the OS which will be good for the consumer.

 

[Okatis]

an OS that's superior in every other way.

They removed the ability to even have a vertical taskbar in 11. A feature that's been on Windows for decades. Moving the taskbar as such made the news for being the most upvoted feature request for W11 so it's not some issue that hasn't received attention.

There was a post by a Windows desktop dev that worked from W7 to W10 that detailed the majority of the designers in charge of the UI since W8 don't even use Windows but macOS, yet have final say in decisions. They explained how they internally pushed back against basic, backwards choices the designers made and yet they still had to ship them. Coincidentally that same dev also mentioned they wouldn't use W11 until they implemented a vertical taskbar.

I tried a fresh W11 Pro stable recently on a 2019 era thin client and was stunned how poorly taskbar, start and search menus were implemented. When offline the search box takes an absurdly long time to load initially and only in subsequent openings is it fine until next system start and in the start menu virtually all icons are blank. It's like I'm interacting with some broken tech demo.

And yet, of course, users necessarily will be forced to migrate for security and new hardware support reasons unless they happen to have enterprise licenses for older W10 that had far later EoL. I can't blame users (and devs) for criticizing some of the legitimately annoying decisions being made.

 

[Shoganai]

They removed the ability to even have a vertical taskbar in 11. A feature that's been on Windows for decades. Moving the taskbar as such made the news for being the most upvoted feature request for W11 so it's not some issue that hasn't received attention.

There was a post by a Windows desktop dev that worked from W7 to W10 that detailed the majority of the designers in charge of the UI since W8 don't even use Windows but macOS, yet have final say in decisions. They explained how they internally pushed back against basic, backwards choices the designers made and yet they still had to ship them. Coincidentally that same dev also mentioned they wouldn't use W11 until they implemented a vertical taskbar.

I tried a fresh W11 Pro stable recently on a 2019 era thin client and was stunned how poorly taskbar, start and search menus were implemented. When offline the search box takes an absurdly long time to load initially and only in subsequent openings is it fine until next system start and in the start menu virtually all icons are blank. It's like I'm interacting with some broken tech demo.

And yet, of course, users necessarily will be forced to migrate for security and new hardware support reasons unless they happen to have enterprise licenses for older W10 that had far later EoL. I can't blame users (and devs) for criticizing some of the legitimately annoying decisions being made.

Yep. They've made incredibly stupid changes for no logical reason. They keep adding things people don't want, and removing things people actually use.

 

[bigdogchris]

Every version of Windows I've ever used has made changes that took a while to adapt too.

For every complaint of a non-movable task bar, you may have someone else complaining they are removing Wordpad. But these may be features virtually no one uses.

A good example is in in all prior versions of Windows, I like setting the notification area icons to always show all icons. In 11 that setting doesn't exist, everything is hidden behind the bubble that hides all icons. You have to manually move them out and/or make the setting per application. I wish that feature was in 11 to automatically show all by default, but I'm not going to stop using the OS because it's not there. Many people probably don't care about this setting, but I do.

 

[Shoganai]

Every version of Windows I've ever used has made changes that took a while to adapt too.

For every complaint of a non-movable task bar, you may have someone else complaining they are removing Wordpad. But these may be features virtually no one uses.

A good example is in in all prior versions of Windows, I like setting the notification area icons to always show all icons. In 11 that setting doesn't exist, everything is hidden behind the bubble that hides all icons. You have to manually move them out and/or make the setting per application. I wish that feature was in 11 to automatically show all by default, but I'm not going to stop using the OS because it's not there. Many people probably don't care about this setting, but I do.

Being a Microsoft apologist doesn't make Microsoft suck any less. Getting used to the stupid changes Microsoft makes isn't a defense of Microsoft. People bending over and taking it is the reason we're in this mess in the first place.

 

[ManofGod]

Being a Microsoft apologist doesn't make Microsoft suck any less. Getting used to the stupid changes Microsoft makes isn't a defense of Microsoft. People bending over and taking it is the reason we're in this mess in the first place.

Listen and read what he posted in your response, things are not always as cut and dry as you want them to be. The good thing is, who cares, it is 2024, not 1994, we have what we have and it works.

 

[Shoganai]

Listen and read what he posted in your response, things are not always as cut and dry as you want them to be. The good thing is, who cares, it is 2024, not 1994, we have what we have and it works.

Making excuses for Microsoft's garbage decisions helps no one. I did read it. It sounds like he's trying to reconcile all the stupid crap Microsoft has done. "We have what we have" is on par with that thinking as well. And soon we're going to be force-fed this AI garbage that nobody asked for. But it's 2024, not 1994. We have what we have.

 

[Lakados]

Microsoft tries too hard to appeal to everybody and ultimately fails at pleasing most.
I’m just hoping Microsoft continues improving the Windows Subsystem for Linux and say by the time Windows 15 rolls around Windows will just be a compatibility layer inside there.