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I heard the chips are turning their owners into cannibals!multiple reports from Reddit
HmmmI heard the chips are turning their owners into cannibals!
Don't worry, we're just reporting it happening. Doesn't mean it actually is.Hmmm
253W has always been the recommendation for that chip.Is this Intel's latest recommendation ?
Intel Raptor Lake (13th)/Raptor Lake Refresh (14th) Gen K Series SKU Official Recommendations | |
Parameter/Feature (In BIOS/Software Settings) | Value/Setting |
Current Excursion Protection (CEP) | Enable |
Enhanced Thermal Velocity Boost (eTVB) | Enable |
Thermal Velocity Boost (TVB) | Enable |
TVB Voltage Optimizations | Enable |
ICCMAX Unlimited Bit | Disable |
TjMAX Offset | 0 |
C-states | Enable |
ICCMAX | Varies, Never >400A* |
ICCMAX_App | Varies* |
Power Limits (PL's) | Varies* |
but people have been doing that for years without damaging their cpu's. that shouldn't fry the chipSeems fair but I’m interested in seeing people’s RMA experience with these. How does Intel sort put the possible damaged CPUs from bad mobo auto settings from those who just overclocked the piss out of their CPUs. For example benchmarking for leader boards or trying to get 8000 ddr5 to survive dozens of memory stress tests and so on.
Igor says PL4 (absolute maximum ) is the reason for chip damagebut people have been doing that for years without damaging their cpu's. that shouldn't fry the chip
From Anandtech:
We have been communicating with Intel for most of the day to get official answers to what's happening. To that end, we have received an official statement from Intel, which reads as follows:
The recently publicized communications between Intel and its motherboard partners regarding motherboard settings and Intel Core 13th & 14th Gen K-SKU processors is intended to provide guidance on Intel recommended default settings. We are continuing to investigate with our partners the recent user reports of instability in certain workloads on these processors.
This BIOS default settings guidance is meant to improve stability for currently installed processors while Intel continues investigating root cause, not ascribe blame to Intel's partners:
* Please see the 13th Generation Intel® Core™ and Intel® Core™ 14th Generation Processors datasheet for more information
Intel Raptor Lake (13th)/Raptor Lake Refresh (14th) Gen K Series SKU
Official RecommendationsParameter/Feature
(In BIOS/Software Settings)Value/Setting Current Excursion Protection (CEP) Enable Enhanced Thermal Velocity Boost (eTVB) Enable Thermal Velocity Boost (TVB) Enable TVB Voltage Optimizations Enable ICCMAX Unlimited Bit Disable TjMAX Offset 0 C-states Enable ICCMAX Varies, Never >400A* ICCMAX_App Varies* Power Limits (PL's) Varies*
Intel continues to work with its partners to develop appropriate mitigations going forward.
Intel's official statement to us, which is likely their standpoint for the general public, highlights a list of recommended BIOS and software settings, such as those found in Intel's Extreme Tuning Utility (XTU).
https://www.anandtech.com/show/2137...al&utm_campaign=socialflow&utm_source=twitter
From nov 2018Based on this Anandtech article
PL1 = sustained average TDP
PL2 = turbo tdp
Tau = duration for which the CPU can stay in PL2 (turbo TDP)
Above 3 are independent from temperature limit which is determined by cooler capacity. Hence if you have a super duper cooler then the motherboard manufactures set an infinite turbo tdp (PL2) & turbo duration (tau)
Basically the processor always remains in turbo (as long as you have a sufficiently large cooler)
https://www.anandtech.com/show/13544/why-intel-processors-draw-more-power-than-expected-tdp-turbo
I don’t have a dog in this fight but people on this very forum have degraded and killed CPUs with manual overlocks. I’ve only killed one myself. RIP Athlon 2500XP…but people have been doing that for years without damaging their cpu's. that shouldn't fry the chip
What BIOS version are you using?Using Asus 790 Dark Hero with a 14900KS, Asus Thor 1200w PS cooling using Corsair AIO
"intel safe" bios from ASUS recent upload, crashes on shader comp. I had to drop the multi in intel's app from 59 to 58 for it not to crash.
system is less than 1 month old.
When you buy into a over clocking chip and overclocking motherboard you need to be prepared to dial in settings yourself.Using Asus 790 Dark Hero with a 14900KS, Asus Thor 1200w PS cooling using Corsair AIO
"intel safe" bios from ASUS recent upload, crashes on shader comp. I had to drop the multi in intel's app from 59 to 58 for it not to crash.
system is less than 1 month old.
1202What BIOS version are you using?
Making excuses for Intel. What a joke.
https://www.techspot.com/review/2836-intel-cpu-crash-baseline-spec/
You're the type of user that should stick to the non K CPUs or the locked one and the bare bones motherboards with no features. Just plug and play and you'll be fine. The K cpus and overclocking boards have a ton of tweaking settings that Overclockers love to tinker with. A overclocked CPU and motherboard don't always balance perfect out of the box if they are overclocked heavily. It's the name of the game. If you're to faint of heart then don't dive in. I had instability with my high end system as well, but I was prepared to learn how to tune it and now it is rock solid for any stability test or game you throw at it. It's for the DIY people which you clearly aren't one of just stick to the basics bro.
You're the type of user that should stick to the non K CPUs or the locked one and the bare bones motherboards with no features. Just plug and play and you'll be fine. The K cpus and overclocking boards have a ton of tweaking settings that Overclockers love to tinker with. A overclocked CPU and motherboard don't always balance perfect out of the box if they are overclocked heavily. It's the name of the game. If you're to faint of heart then don't dive in. I had instability with my high end system as well, but I was prepared to learn how to tune it and now it is rock solid for any stability test or game you throw at it. It's for the DIY people which you clearly aren't one of just stick to the basics bro.
Most motherboards by default, run non-K cpus with unlocked power limits and unlimited turbo, as well. Which of course is a HUGE performance boost over their 65w "stock" setting.You're the type of user that should stick to the non K CPUs or the locked one and the bare bones motherboards with no features. Just plug and play and you'll be fine. The K cpus and overclocking boards have a ton of tweaking settings that Overclockers love to tinker with. A overclocked CPU and motherboard don't always balance perfect out of the box if they are overclocked heavily. It's the name of the game. If you're to faint of heart then don't dive in. I had instability with my high end system as well, but I was prepared to learn how to tune it and now it is rock solid for any stability test or game you throw at it. It's for the DIY people which you clearly aren't one of just stick to the basics bro.
LmaoIs this a joke or actual absurd take?
Ok cool I was worried you were that guy broI've been building and tweaking my own pc's for over 30 years and can assure you I'm not that guy "bro". You shouldn't need to tweak a setup out of the box "default settings" to prevent cpu silicon degradation. And even when you do in this case, you basically end up with the performance of a generic non-k part, So why exactly are you ponying up all that $$ for a K? The AMD SoC voltage debacle obviously taught Intel and the board vendors nothing.
Yes the MB settings are just insane. It's easy enough to just set the power limit fortunately. I do it myself if I don't need the extra power. No need to heat up the PC room when it's already crushing 144fps easily. I have a budget Z790 MSI Gaming Plus board which was 200 bucks I thought it was going to suck it's actually pretty damn good. I sold the Aorus Z790 Master to a friend since I have another one in my main rig already. I've never messed with anything lower than a Z790 series though.Most motherboards by default, run non-K cpus with unlocked power limits and unlimited turbo, as well. Which of course is a HUGE performance boost over their 65w "stock" setting.
Its really only the bottom barrel boards which do not. Because their VRM can't handle "unlimited" power and turbo. However, they will often still run as high as they can out of box. Something like 120w.
What kind of elitist fanboi BS are you pushing here?Lmao
Ok cool I was worried you were that guy bro
Oof this was good lol Shall we agree to disagree ? Or disagree to disagree? Maybe go yell all this to the guys trying to run 8000MHz "flawlessly in out the box configurations" and get laughed out the room. Let me know how your experience goes, also you sound crazy to me lol.What kind of elitist fanboi BS are you pushing here?
A high-end CPU and high-end MB should ABSO-FUCKING-LOOTLY guarantee your setup is going to work flawlessly in out of the box configurations. Hell one just bought the best of everything with assumed, over spec components!
To suggest that one is expected to need to tweak out of the box is asinine
That type of setup is to give all the tweaking options one would need in striving for performance when wanted.
NOT TO FUCKING GET STABILITY!
I am sorry man but the "Failsafe" and "Factory Default" options should not be out of the box OC'd to high hell on any component. You need a safe baseline to start anything from and if Factory Default isn't that then there have been a lot of failures in that product line before you even touched it.Oof this was good lol Shall we agree to disagree ? Or disagree to disagree? Maybe go yell all this to the guys trying to run 8000MHz "flawlessly in out the box configurations" and get laughed out the room. Let me know how your experience goes, also you sound crazy to me lol.
Oof this was good lol Shall we agree to disagree ? Or disagree to disagree? Maybe go yell all this to the guys trying to run 8000MHz "flawlessly in out the box configurations" and get laughed out the room. Let me know how your experience goes, also you sound crazy to me lol.
I've been overclocking since the Celeron 300a days, possibly earlier if you consider I have a Commodore Amiga running an overclocked 68030 25MHz @ 40MHz. I've never encountered any degradation as a result of overclocking in all the years I've been doing it.I don’t have a dog in this fight but people on this very forum have degraded and killed CPUs with manual overlocks. I’ve only killed one myself. RIP Athlon 2500XP…
How do you know? CPUs degrade over time regardless of OC or not. You need pretty specialized equipment if to measure additional degradation done by OC. Did you do that? Or are you simply saying you did not have a chip fail due to OC while you might have degraded it more then without OC?I've been overclocking since the Celeron 300a days, possibly earlier if you consider I have a Commodore Amiga running an overclocked 68030 25MHz @ 40MHz. I've never encountered any degradation as a result of overclocking in all the years I've been doing it.
I got in to the hobby just around the 300a era but never had one myself. To echo what others have said Intel is quite clearly running these on the red line and the board partners extra push baked into default bios settings is making things worse. The out of the box state of the CPU is maxed or nearly maxed out. One positive out of all this is that the dud CPUs should show themselves within the warranty window.I've been overclocking since the Celeron 300a days, possibly earlier if you consider I have a Commodore Amiga running an overclocked 68030 25MHz @ 40MHz. I've never encountered any degradation as a result of overclocking in all the years I've been doing it.
How do you know? CPUs degrade over time regardless of OC or not. You need pretty specialized equipment if to measure additional degradation done by OC. Did you do that? Or are you simply saying you did not have a chip fail due to OC while you might have degraded it more then without OC?
I got in to the hobby just around the 300a era but never had one myself. To echo what others have said Intel is quite clearly running these on the red line and the board partners extra push baked into default bios settings is making things worse. The out of the box state of the CPU is maxed or nearly maxed out. One positive out of all this is that the dud CPUs should show themselves within the warranty window.
Yes you do. "Observable degradation" without any tools to do the observation of what degrades are words you should not utter. You cannot look at a CPU from the outside and state that you have "observed" there has been no degradation like electron migration or oxide breakdown inside the CPU. You can however observe degradation from the outside if it has happened in a meaningful way. Meaning, if you have to as example downclock the CPU because it cannot hold the clocks anymore without being unstable or crash....Yeah, no.
In the time I owned each and every overclocked CPU, by the time I was ready to pass that CPU on it was still running perfectly with no observable degradation whatsoever. As stated, the 25MHz 68030 still runs perfectly at 40MHz and that was released in 1987.
...es you do. "Observable degradation" without any tools to do the observation of what degrades are words you should not utter. You cannot look at a CPU from the outside and state that you have "observed" there has been no degradation like electron migration or oxide breakdown inside the CPU. You can however observe degradation from the outside if it has happened in a meaningful way. Meaning, if you have to as example downclock the CPU because it cannot hold the clocks anymore without being unstable or crash.
Keep vcore and temps within acceptable limits and electromigration simply isn't a problem.In the time I owned each and every overclocked CPU, by the time I was ready to pass that CPU on it was still running perfectly with no observable degradation whatsoever. As stated, the 25MHz 68030 still runs perfectly at 40MHz and that was released in 1987.
there are processors from the 70's that still work fine. these intel chips aren't lasting 3 months. that's how we can tellHow do you know? CPUs degrade over time regardless of OC or not. You need pretty specialized equipment if to measure additional degradation done by OC. Did you do that? Or are you simply saying you did not have a chip fail due to OC while you might have degraded it more then without OC?