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I hope that includes letting people who already own games with licenses that have long since expired to play them on new consoles. They don't need to sell Forza Motorsport 4 to make it run on the Series X|S, FFS... Yes, I know about FM4+ on Xenia, but 360 emulation is still far from perfect.
While that would be awesome, I instead envision a variation of the Nintendo Virtual Console where a subscription gets you access to a digital library you can install from. Because monthly fees and all that corporate jazz.
The conversation is so strange, are we talking about MIcrosoft selling a PC good enough to play CAll of Duty 2028 with similar graphic-performance than the PS6 for $500 ?
And why would they not buy all of those on steam without ever opening the MS store like they do on their PC right now ?
For people trying to make money selling such system yes,
Yes at price that make it possible for PC resellers to be competitive.
Not when the console is new and this time there is no trick, it need to be a PC strong enough to run PC version of game at the same visual quality-performance than the optimised for Playstation 6 game do, no console tricks-shortcut-special hardware-smaller OS-optimisation to help.
Unfortunately I think you're right. I don't necessarily see that as a bad thing, though, so long as Microsoft doesn't pull Nintendo's bullshit of a new silo'd version of the virtual console with every new piece of hardware. If a single price can give you access to the entirety of their legacy library it would be worth it. People have been trying to get this message across to Nintendo for years.
Consoles in the 1980s and up until the mid-1990s absolutely crushed the contemporary PCs of their time, not because PCs were weaker but because bare-metal optimizations on then-consoles was out of this world.
The fact that a screenshot of a game of Mario is larger and requires more processing power to view than the entirety of NES Mario Bros is insane.
I mean... It's optimization but it is also just not having much in the way of graphics or sound fidelity. Part of the reason NES games were small is the thing was only 256x240 and you didn't do it per-pixel it was almost all tile/sprite based with only 3 colors per sprite, maybe 20 colors total on the screen at once. That meant things were not only low rez and low color, but also very repetitive since you didn't have that many sprites to work with. If you'd like to have a nice 4k display in HDR10, where each pixel can be rendered individually, well that's almost 32MB just for a single framebuffer.
But at that time that was still ground breaking.
Absolutely and I am not at all hating on it. Trying to make a system look that good with 2KB of VRAM, and 1980s tech, is some next level shit. Just saying not to blame new things for getting big. Sometimes we get nostalgia for old things and forget how far we've come. It is fun to fire up a NES emulator on a 4k display and set it not to stretch, to display at native rez and see this tiny postage stamp of a video and say "man, we used to game at that rez?"
Even if they “discontinue” the hardware console itself they would rebrand XBox as part of the windows platform. Microsoft owns too many game studios to abandon gaming as a whole. But the costs of selling a console at cost and the cost of an entry level PC with a similar performance profile are creeping close.I'm sure they will reaffirm and be committed to hardware development until they day they announce they are discontinuing the Xbox consoles.
A hollow statement. I don't expect them to discontinue Xbox this generation though. Even if the Playstation outsells Xbox 2 to 1, I'd assume that is still a decent market share. Even if the Xbox name is declining it still is one of Microsoft's best consumer brand names. I do question whether Xbox consoles have much of a future or if they plan to push everything to an Xbox branded subscription service that runs on other consoles long term.
You would think. The Xbox cannot stand on good exclusives alone.
This is capitalism. You adapt or you go out of business. Maybe they can start by not putting one stick of memory and forgetting to tighten all the screws? Also, go into the BIOS and setup XMP memory. Prebuilts are built really badly.
That's up to Microsoft. Remember, Microsoft's hardware would have to compete with other hardware.
I don't think you understand how capitalism works. It's Microsofts job to find a reason to use their store. Epic thinks some exclusives and Fortnite is enough reason.
Again, capitalism. If you want business then you must compete.
Again, not anyone's problem. Nobody asks what Nintendo should do with the Switch 2 now that Valve's Steam Deck is competing on price. You could get a Switch for $300 or a Steam Deck for $350 with more than twice of everything in specs.
It being a PC running Windows does not mean it can't run console optimized games. These things aren't mutually exclusive.
Were you around when the PS5 was snatched up in scalper paradise? Scalpers gonna scalp, no matter what you do.
PC gaming didn't really come into play until the early 90's when Doom just took over the industry, but it was a thing before the 90's. Remember when sound cards was the best thing you can do for gaming on your PC? Doom wasn't exactly playable on most consoles at the time without some sacrifice or a massive co-processor.
No... I ran Nesticle a NES emulator on my schools PC that had a 386 in it. No sound because it just killed performance, plus only PC speaker. General rule of emulation is that the host machine needs at least 10x more processing power than the machine you're trying to emulate. Wasn't just the CPU that needed emulation either. There were a number of PC games that couldn't run on a SNES or Genesis.
I was referring to the native performance of Mario on the NES, I mean the entirety of the original Mario game is just shy of 32KB, a screenshot at a native resolution of 256x240 is going to be larger than that.
A very easy one is to make it the only one like they do right now.
How do you compete by people against people that sell at a massive lost, if not by pushing post sales services by having your own store, do you/we really want even more of that type of world, company that make hardware that need to find post sales revenues so try to control that hardware and what people do with it.
Yes that exactly what we are talking about, Microsoft decision and the tradeoff for them, too loose money on sales of PC that endup running Linux in a datacenter or people desk as a business strategy, loosing Dell-HP as partner and so on, at least that the point someone on a message board talking about what Microsoft should or should not do too people that say just make a very powerful $500 PC and curious what they respond to it, not just platitude, that capitalism.... yes and for capitalist reason it is not obviously a good idea.
Outside Microsoft the people we are talking about (why do you think they have any relationship with them, because they gain from its existence)
So it is not just a PC anymore ?, it is full PC perfectly able to run Call of Duty PC version really well and as console extra hardware to optimize too as well in that super low cost ? GameDev still make a build just for them, there still Xbox game binary that do not run on my PC but they are just PCs ?
Imagine if they would have been really good at mining crypto with just a couple of easy click by anyone without any knowledge now like what we are talking about here.
Nobody knows how much money is lost, if any. I showed you a mini PC that costs less than $600 that has twice as much ram and more storage plus a more modern Zen4 CPU. Not to forget it uses M.2 and not some proprietary memory slot like the Xbox Series X. With the exception of the GPU, the Xbox Series X doesn't have much going for it. I really doubt that Microsoft, Sony, and Nintendo are losing money on hardware sales and hoping to recoup through game sales. Sony certainly doesn't lose money anymore. I certainly don't believe Phil Spencer.
Don't care.
Yes, you can do that.
Not going to assume something like that couldn't happen again. Might as well say that lightening might strike.
You're impressed by silly things. Remember Kkrieger the 96KB 3D Shooter? That's a game you can run on PC. You'd be surprised what was needed to be done to get games to look and sound the way they did on such limited hardware. Nostalgia Nerd also made that distinction of the screenshot file size and the actual game itself. Kinda wish developers would bring these techniques back to reduce game file sizes.
They already did that back in 2018-2019. Xbox is Microsoft's global gaming brand and hasn't referred to just consoles for more the 5 years at this point.
She looks good honestly. The actor she's based on does look better, but also doesn't share many similarities if you ask me. The problem is the community manager Shauna Jones who also seems to hate white straight middle aged men. This isn't related to Microsoft because she does work for Ubisoft, but Microsoft has also gone this route as well. The industry needs to purge these people out because they're toxic. At this point I feel there's a poster in every AAA gamings office that has a negative thing to say about white straight men, with Asian men being consider "white adjacent". Wish I could make that stuff up.
This is going 4 years after launch, no I do not imagine they lose much money now, but if you remove any Consoles like advantage to compete with an PS6 you probably need to have a little bit better hardware than usual as well. Nintendo tend to make money on sales I think
I do not suggest you do (you seem to do too ?), I am just talking about people that seem to care about what Microsoft should do, to explain it if they can. I would like for Microsoft to sale to me superbe computer at a superbe price obviously, that different from saying that they should.
Sometimes I feel like they also do this to avoid the “uncanny valley” you can design and animate a solid 7, but it’s very tricky to do the same with a 9 or a 10 without it being off putting. It also greatly decreases the likelihood of the character ending up on Pornhub or other such site which is an item on small concern for some companies, I mean we don’t care but many actors and actresses don’t care for it, and it can cause some issues for companies especially when dealing with licensed IP. Disney hates the XXX versions of their characters, they have teams dedicated to finding and removing it… Which must have some interesting people working in that department…
Should Microsoft just continue with the Xbox formula? It hasn't worked in over 10 years, and will continue to not work. I'm sure there are hurdles that Microsoft has to overcome but it's either make the Xbox into a PC or watch it continue to fail.
What I mean is that these are not problems I need to worry about as a consumer. As a consumer all I care is that it's cheap and does what I want. Making Xbox into a PC would sell more Xbox's while also selling more Xbox games. If you had a choice between a dedicated $1k+ PC to play games or a $500 Xbox Series whatever that can also play PC games AND Xbox games, which would most people buy? Sony has a straight up better library of games, but making Xbox a PC would allow for a much larger selection of games. You can still buy Xbox games with all the optimizations of a console, or a PC version with mods and better store selection with cheaper prices. You can also download emulators to play games for other consoles, thus giving consumers a much more complete selection of games. This isn't something that hasn't been done before, because that's what the Steam Deck is. You don't see a bunch of people going out and buying Steam Decks to crypto mine or run Office suite software. I'm sure someone has tried, but not enough for anyone to care.
Rule 34 isn't going to stop because a video game character isn't a 10/10. That just pushes NSFW artists to go even harder. If you've ever searched for a character on Google images, it doesn't take long before you find NSFW stuff. If these people think by making the characters less appealing will stop the Rule 34, then they've never been on the internet. The AI tools are just gonna make this a lot worse.
Obviously but that not at all the conversation people are having, yes sure, I want the best computer in the world for $500 thank you and I do not need to worry what it mean for that kind of dumping and competition destroying by a giant, I will just take it.
Sell more Xbox obviously, not necessarily more Xbox game... more PC game yes. Xbox games do not exist anymore no ? You can copy them directly on your PC and launch them now right or the machine they sell is not just a pc ?
So the Xbox 6 is not just a PC at all ? It is also an Xbox and a PC as well, both for $500, I am just trying to understand the proposition, what would the device be, how it perform in video game versus the PS6 games made for the PS6, how good it is are running AI-office application-compiling code to make people buy this instead of regular PC ?
Obviously it is mini very low powered affair, the Xbox in 2020 or the Xbox in 2027 trying to compete with a PS6 would be quite different. This would be a windows PC out of the box (or would it be ?), if I can copy paste in a regular network drive my current PC game, double click the .exe and the game launch without any issue, work, nothing, it will be the same for all the other applications. And I will have a much better PC for that price that I could find anywhere (or would it not be, if so how ?)
Nobody is suggesting that the Xbox Series X or PS5 are the best computers in the world. It has bee suggested that these consoles are..."not a top tier gaming machine because that's not true. It's an affordable living room box that's equivalent in gaming performance to a mid to high end gaming PC from about 5 years ago." He's not talking about 5 years from today either. There's a reason why the PS5 and Xbox Series X are equivalent to a 6600XT and not a more closer matching 6700XT based on it's specs. You will never gain the same level of performance on a console when the CPU+GPU share the same memory that isn't appropriate for the CPU as well as GPU. Also remember the Xbox is not exactly upgradable like a desktop built PC. Not everything is an advantage on a Xbox, as you'll have to decide if the benefits outweigh the disadvantages.
Nobody said Xbox games have to go. It's up to Microsoft and their publishers to determine if a Xbox optimized game is worth making for the console. If a PC version of the game allows mods and doesn't require a monthly fee to play online, then that's something Microsoft would need to compete with. Also, what PC game have you known that you can just copy over to another PC? All PC games have DRM, unless you know where to look to remove them.
Just like the Steam Deck, it's both a PC and a console, but in the Xbox 6's case it would be more console than PC. This makes less sense with a Sega Genesis that despite having the same CPU as Apple computers, could never run Apple software. Hardware and software today is so advanced that this never needs to be mutually exclusive. You also don't need to wait for the Xbox 6 to start doing this. A software update for the Xbox Series consoles could get the ball rolling now. There's no reason not to beyond maybe pissing off publishers. I'd imagine developers who port their games to Xbox won't be happy knowing that Xbox consoles could now also run a PC version of their game. Mostly because they would probably not port their games to Xbox and waste resources.
Probably not entirely. Just like the Steam Deck, it boots and runs like just a normal Xbox, but would need a series of steps to get it to boot a cut down version of Windows. I'd imagine an Xbox mode and a Windows PC mode.
You absolutely could but remember this wouldn't be the most ideal PC to use for daily PC tasks. I've already linked two mini PC's that have more IO and upgradable parts and a faster CPU. While the Xbox has a much faster GPU, the GPU isn't everything in a PC. It's also still an AMD GPU which isn't great for productivity.
Again, up to Microsoft. Microsoft could do this a number of ways. They could just not put Windows and instead put a compatibility layer that allows approved Windows games to run on the Xbox. Much like how MacOS can run iOS apps. Microsoft could also virtualize PC games without any access to a full version of Windows. If I was a normie looking to buy an Xbox vs PS5, then running a desktop version of Windows on Xbox would probably win me over. Especially if I didn't have much money and needed a desktop PC anyway. Remember when the PS3 ran Linux as a selling point, until it was removed and all hell broke lose for Sony? Kinda like that, but a lot better.