RDNA 5 speculation

chameleoneel said:
3D apps still have yet to take the time to make better AMD specific code. CUDA translation to ROCm is only serviceable, until then.
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Redshift is why i can never use amd. i mean 43% of a 4090. Jesus. Maybe in 5 years i guess. If ever
 
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chameleoneel said:
Yeah they just needed the software makers to support their cards better. AMD works really well for photo and video apps, now:


View: https://youtu.be/xmsPhb6Tugw?si=pNm-XKR2yNfHeKUm

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JIsFqX4LgZI


3D apps still have yet to take the time to make better AMD specific code. CUDA translation to ROCm is only serviceable, until then.
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Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz...... I would have bought an AMD gpu - 7900 series by now if AMD was any good at 3D GPUCompute - I mean anything outside the gaming realm - but, they're not really good at anything other than gaming, unfortunately.

It's debatable if they're good at video editing - I've received mixed reports - my main interest ins Davinci Resolve and to a lesser extent, Premiere Pro - but, ppl who have the 7900 XTX and 7900 XT have give both positive and negative feedback/reviews.

For ML, AI, GPGPU Compute/ Blender (especially) - they're a total disaster or just mediocre performance with respect to how much these gpus cost.
 
Marees said:
I think rumours exist for RDNA 5 timeline (end 2025) & RDNA 4 (H2 2024. As early as jun/july )

No rumours of revision of 7900xt/7900xtx yet. I am just thinking it would be needed to fill the gap till RDNA 5 launches in 2 years
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AMD decided not to compete with Nvidia on the upper end/tier - they won't have anything to counter the 5090 - and they are going to gimp their next gen a bit but they claim it will be a bit faster than a 7900 XTX - they'll call it an 8800 XT.
 
pavel said:
AMD decided not to compete with Nvidia on the upper end/tier - they won't have anything to counter the 5090
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Is that not just for RDNA 4 or RDNA 5 as well ? RDNA 5 release date could be the same 12 months as the 5090.
 
pavel said:
Dunno. I don't put much stock in what AMD says or what statements they release. YMMV.
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I am not sure if AMD said anything about any of this, but is any of the link say or imply that RDNA 5 will not compete with a 5090 (or what will be high end around that time) ?

They seem to say:
It's very likely doing RDNA 5 (or Navi 5 if you prefer) for the next-gen consoles. So, it will be the fully funded effort and it will probably be pretty good.
Significant improvements might be reserved for RDNA 5.
RDNA 5 development as latter shows "exciting early performance projections"
 
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LukeTbk said:
I am not sure if AMD said anything about any of this, but is any of the link say or imply that RDNA 5 will not compete with a 5090 (or what will be high end around that time) ?

They seem to say:
It's very likely doing RDNA 5 (or Navi 5 if you prefer) for the next-gen consoles. So, it will be the fully funded effort and it will probably be pretty good.
Significant improvements might be reserved for RDNA 5.
RDNA 5 development as latter shows "exciting early performance projections"
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What's the 'equivalent' PC/Desktop gpu for the current gen. (gpu) of consoles?
 
It amuses me to no end that RDNA4 hasn't even been revealed to the public by AMD yet and we're already talking about it's successor. Still, it's fun to talk about so I'm not knocking it.
 
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Mr. Bluntman said:
It amuses me to no end that RDNA4 hasn't even been revealed to the public by AMD yet and we're already talking about it's successor. Still, it's fun to talk about so I'm not knocking it.
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But it's actually "hip" to skip.... so maybe there is no 4.

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pavel said:
AMD decided not to compete with Nvidia on the upper end/tier - they won't have anything to counter the 5090 - and they are going to gimp their next gen a bit but they claim it will be a bit faster than a 7900 XTX - they'll call it an 8800 XT.
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"Gimp"? To gimp would mean they have a massively more powerful ach but choose to disable it to compete at a lower level.
They are simply using an "Un-Gimped" ach that is more power efficient and has a strong $/perf ratio to tackle Nvidia is the mainstream segment.
Seems like a solid strategy while they perfect the chiplet super GPU that hasn't gone so well for them in RDNA3.
 
Mr. Bluntman said:
It amuses me to no end that RDNA4 hasn't even been revealed to the public by AMD yet and we're already talking about it's successor. Still, it's fun to talk about so I'm not knocking it.
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It's poorly named, though it's only an internal naming scheme.

RDNA4 is precisely two mid-range cards. The confusion comes because RDNA4 is a mid-gen refresh and not a new product stack.
RDNA5 is a full product stack coming in 2025.
 
UnknownSouljer said:
It's poorly named, though it's only an internal naming scheme.

RDNA4 is precisely two mid-range cards. The confusion comes because RDNA4 is a mid-gen refresh and not a new product stack.
RDNA5 is a full product stack coming in 2025.
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Define refresh in this instance?
 
It's not just being at the top of performance chart, RT-PT, and Upscaling tech. On Driver/Software side of things we need counters to NVCP features, GFE features, GRD features, Studio features, RTX Axxxx/Production branch features, RTX VSR, RTX Video HDR, and NVTrueHDR.

Radeon is/was ridiculously way behind GeForce in these aspects. Visual Enthusiasts have been calling for Forceable-AO and other NVCP-alike GFX features since 2009. AMD intentionally ignored Radeon user requests and barely responded to NV gimmicks unless it became huge and affected them directly like PhysX and GameWorks for example.
 
UnknownSouljer said:
RDNA4 is precisely two mid-range cards. The confusion comes because RDNA4 is a mid-gen refresh and not a new product stack.
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I think they're planning on high and low versions of both for four cards in the main stack, then APUs for everything lower.
 
Axman said:
I think they're planning on high and low versions of both for four cards in the main stack, then APUs for everything lower.
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LLVM driver updates seem to back speculation that there are only 2 RDNA 4 chips planned as of now

RDNA 5 was originally planned full stack, but it could be limited (high price) above $1200 & full stack at $1000 & below. Of course this is all speculation
 
I listen to UFD Hot News. IMHO, probably one of the shortest tech news summaries. However, if you all know of something better, I'm always willing to move on to something better.
 
cjcox said:
I listen to UFD Hot News. IMHO, probably one of the shortest tech news summaries. However, if you all know of something better, I'm always willing to move on to something better.
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If you don't need to have audio/video then really most run of the mill tech sites will report on the same things, all without being extremely annoying about it. Guys like him do nothing more than regurgitate what tech sites have already covered then add some extra layer of uselessness.
 
MistaSparkul said:
If you don't need to have audio/video then really most run of the mill tech sites will report on the same things, all without being extremely annoying about it. Guys like him do nothing more than regurgitate what tech sites have already covered then add some extra layer of uselessness.
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Correct.... so visit a whole bunch of different sites, many, because you don't know which ones will have have "this or that". But, since you "went there", list the sites you use please.
 
Decko87 said:
Just in time for a new console generation
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Should be way more in time than the next generation ?

PS6 next Xbox could be fall 2028, fall 2027 would be in line with previous generation lifetime of 7 years.
RDNA5 I would be quite surprised if it is later than 2026 (would guess fall 2025), imagine if AMD top end is the 7900xtx in spring of 2027....Blackwell replacement in the pro line could already be old by then.
 
LukeTbk said:
Should be way more in time than the next generation ?

PS6 next Xbox could be fall 2028, fall 2027 would be in line with previous generation lifetime of 7 years.
RDNA5 I would be quite surprised if it is later than 2026 (would guess fall 2025), imagine if AMD top end is the 7900xtx in spring of 2027....Blackwell replacement in the pro line could already be old by then.
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I mean like actually putting dev kits together etc, not shipping. I should've been more specific. I think the lead time between actual release and initial hardware is around 2-3ish years prior to release. Sony and Microsoft without question know about RDNA 5 and are likely headed towards internal prototyping now.
 
Decko87 said:
I mean like actually putting dev kits together etc, not shipping. I should've been more specific. I think the lead time between actual release and initial hardware is around 2-3ish years prior to release. Sony and Microsoft without question know about RDNA 5 and are likely headed towards internal prototyping now.
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Rumours are that, since xbox skipped the pro console, they might go first, as early as 2026

Sony might release the PS6 only in 2028, in alignment with RDNA 6
 
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Decko87 said:
. I think the lead time between actual release and initial hardware is around 2-3ish years prior to release .. Sony and Microsoft without question know about RDNA 5 and are likely headed towards internal prototyping now.
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I really do not how how it works but the last time.
RDNA 2 launched (November 18, 2020) almost at the same time has the PS5 (November 12, 2020)
RDNA 4 will launch probably around the same time has the ps5 pro or what they will name it.

Would not surprise me if they go with AMD that PS6-XboxX2 will be on RDNA 6 (which could be just a simple upgrade of RDNA5 so maybe saying almost the same thing), if it is a 2027+ launch.
 
LukeTbk said:
I really do not how how it works but the last time.
RDNA 2 launched (November 18, 2020) almost at the same time has the PS5 (November 12, 2020)
RDNA 4 will launch probably around the same time has the ps5 pro or what they will name it.

Would not surprise me if they go with AMD that PS6-XboxX2 will be on RDNA 6 (which could be just a simple upgrade of RDNA5 so maybe saying almost the same thing), if it is a 2027+ launch.
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I am guessing xbox will go first (on TSMC 3nm) zen5c + RDNA 5. One boxed traditional console & one handheld series S style console

Sony is in no hurry as they have the pro by this year end. So they can wait till zen 6 & RDNA 6 (2nm ?)
 
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