Thermal Conductive Sheet To Replace Thermal Grease

Guaranteed uniformity would be the key benefit of this, I'd think.
 
If it can match or even beat top end thermal compounds, I will be all for it. I have never enjoyed dealing with thermal compounds.
 
Thermal paste is my least favorite part of working with computer hardware, so it would be cool if this became mainstream.
 
Knowing Sony, though, this will be one (or both) of two things:

1) Somehow proprietary

2) Extremely overpriced
 
Dekoth-E- said:
If it can match or even beat top end thermal compounds, I will be all for it. I have never enjoyed dealing with thermal compounds.
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I'm guessing they tested it against the low cost generic product, and not against a product that uses silver, ceramic, or diamond.
 
It'll be hard to beat skillfully applied thermal compound between two lapped surfaces as the thermal compound layer becomes micro-thin (enthusiasts), but should be very handy for the standard user and business markets where longevity, ease-of-use, and reliability are king.
 
Not a week goes by when I don't have a customer who brings in a system that they applied a ginormous amount of TC. Some graduated from the Tammy Fay school of TC application! Usual excuses: more is better, I didn't know how much to use, no instructions, etc.
 
BladeVenom said:
I'm guessing they tested it against the low cost generic product, and not against a product that uses silver, ceramic, or diamond.
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Hence my stipulation of top end compounds. :) Would be worthless if it only marginally beat out the crap I have to currently scrape off new HSFs.

RealityCrunch said:
It'll be hard to beat skillfully applied thermal compound between two lapped surfaces as the thermal compound layer becomes micro-thin (enthusiasts), but should be very handy for the standard user and business markets where longevity, ease-of-use, and reliability are king.
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Depends..if it flat out transfers heat more efficiently then it wouldn't be so hard. It wouldn't be difficult at all to have this stuff super thin right out of the box. Couple that with "potential" reuse and it could actually be priced quite high before it was prohibitive.
 
hell
I'm sticking with grease!
I have the whole process down to a T
What else will I do with my old credit cards?
Besides
Put a glob of hot grease on you arm
and
a heating pad on the other
let me know which transfers the heat faster!
I envoke MythBusters on this one!
 
Dekoth-E- said:
Depends..if it flat out transfers heat more efficiently then it wouldn't be so hard. It wouldn't be difficult at all to have this stuff super thin right out of the box. Couple that with "potential" reuse and it could actually be priced quite high before it was prohibitive.
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Transferring heat more efficiently I think would require some newer technology. So far, this looks as though it's still depending mainly on silicon for it's conductivity. If we can get down to some nano-graphine-heat-conductive sheets, that'd be neat :) As for thinness, the main issue there is they need to account for a wide range of differences in surfaces, thus making it too thin won't work as it will no longer make contact with most surfaces (as most are already horrible without lapping). That's one benefit of compound, I guess, is it'll be as thin or thick as it needs to be.
 
OPUS1 said:
hell
I'm sticking with grease!
I have the whole process down to a T
What else will I do with my old credit cards?
Besides
Put a glob of hot grease on you arm
and
a heating pad on the other
let me know which transfers the heat faster!
I envoke MythBusters on this one!
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Can't make sense of the second part of your rant, but the part about credit cards is totally flawed. That method needed for CPUs (and GPUs) that lack a heatspreader, when you add in a heatspreader things change. Check out this article - http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/article/What-is-the-Best-Way-to-Apply-Thermal-Grease-Part-1/1303/1

This doesnt even include a discussion on the high likelyhood of you creating a "bubble" of air in the thermal paste by you having it what you think is uniform.
 
MavericK96 said:
Knowing Sony, though, this will be one (or both) of two things:

1) Somehow proprietary

2) Extremely overpriced
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Ooh, let me play.

3) The installation instruction CD will contain a rootkit, and will redirect your network traffic to Japanese tentacle porn sites.
 
Considering the woes Apple had for the longest time with gross overapplication of thermal paste causing literal "meltdown" of chassis components on the Macbook, something like this will be a godsend even if it can merely match properly applied quality pastes available today.
 
DracoDan said:
Can't make sense of the second part of your rant, but the part about credit cards is totally flawed. That method needed for CPUs (and GPUs) that lack a heatspreader, when you add in a heatspreader things change. Check out this article - http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/article/What-is-the-Best-Way-to-Apply-Thermal-Grease-Part-1/1303/1

This doesnt even include a discussion on the high likelyhood of you creating a "bubble" of air in the thermal paste by you having it what you think is uniform.
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The guys from Hardware Secrets have compared many TC, including unusual ones like mayonnaise, chocolate and others:

http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/article/Thermal-Compound-Roundup-February-2012/1490

It is worth the read. Mayonnaise is only 2 degrees Celsius above Artic Silver 5, for instance.
 
This looks like a project for a DIY-er. :D

Article says it's silicon filled with carbon fibers inside it. The only catch is getting it thin enough-- 0.3 to 2mm thick.
 
DracoDan said:
Can't make sense of the second part of your rant, but the part about credit cards is totally flawed. That method needed for CPUs (and GPUs) that lack a heatspreader, when you add in a heatspreader things change. Check out this article - http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/article/What-is-the-Best-Way-to-Apply-Thermal-Grease-Part-1/1303/1

This doesnt even include a discussion on the high likelyhood of you creating a "bubble" of air in the thermal paste by you having it what you think is uniform.
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The dot method's effectiveness depends on 1) the compound being used 2) the design of the base of the heatsink. Also the retardedness of someone putting a thin layer of compound using the spread method also matters.

I use a razor blade personally, and make sure I only have the right amount on. The "spread" method used in that review is rubbish. looks like the typical job of someone using a plastic glove or their BARE FINGER :rolleyes: to fricken spread it out. "OH YA THERE. DER FINGER OILS ARE JUST FINE YOU BETCHA"

But like I said earlier, some compounds like AS5 need to be spread out manually because they are thicker, and using the dot won't spread it as well as some of the looser TIMs out there.

I'll stick with razor blades, I don't know how well credit cards would work, but probably not as well. Plus, throw a little bit of 91% isopropyl on the blade and it's clean again.
 
Arcygenical said:
Ooh, let me play.

3) The installation instruction CD will contain a rootkit, and will redirect your network traffic to Japanese tentacle porn sites.
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You say that in a bad way...
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Hey as long as the pads don't breakdown like ones in the past I used I for it.
 
octoberasian said:
This looks like a project for a DIY-er. :D

Article says it's silicon filled with carbon fibers inside it. The only catch is getting it thin enough-- 0.3 to 2mm thick.
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Exactly, carbon oriented in the right direction is the best heat conductor there is (Diamond). They just found a way to do it without the diamond part...why wouldn't it work?

My only concern is more non PC electronics as it's also electrically conductive, so forget about using it for power transistor mounting.
 
I'm already using a liquid metal pad, by CoolLaboratory. While not as technically advanced a design as encapsulated, oriented, carbon-fiber; it's easy to apply and works excellent in use.
 
I don't think any enthusiast would opt for this. When lapping the die and heatsink there is such a microscopic void to fill that; well, someone mentioned the "high likelyhood of having bubbles" in their thermal grease? Sarcasm starts here: I personally slather up my heatsink and shake it with a concrete vibrator to remove air pockets. :D
 
well just wait year or two after release i'm sure we'll have good old Chinese knockout in few weeks.
 
BBA said:
Exactly, carbon oriented in the right direction is the best heat conductor there is (Diamond). They just found a way to do it without the diamond part...why wouldn't it work?

My only concern is more non PC electronics as it's also electrically conductive, so forget about using it for power transistor mounting.
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Now, who of [H] is smart enough to make a working duplicate and has access to carbon fiber and silicon?

If anything, I would not be surprised the fibers are vertically oriented in the silicon compound. Again, like I said above, the only issue is trying to get it to the same thickness that Sony did.
 
aronesz said:
but.. Sony developed it . . .
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I don't care who developed it as long as it works. Sure I am not a fan of most all Sony products, but that doesn't mean I won't buy a product from them if they come out with something worthwhile like a thermal paste alternative.
 
Diamond paste? Really? Is it more expensive than the unicorn blood I have been using?
 
Burticus said:
Diamond paste? Really? Is it more expensive than the unicorn blood I have been using?
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Depends if your unicorn blood is more than $9

Problem with diamond based pastes, is that they don't have any improvement over other types, and people report a scouring effects. Making them pretty crap overall.
 
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When I bought my the AMD Athlon 3200+ back in 2005, the CPU came with HSF that had a thermal pad on it. No paste needed, no messiness, it was great for stock. I wonder why the pad never caught on. But I guess this thermal sheet is a thinner version of that pad.

MavericK96 said:
Knowing Sony, though, this will be one (or both) of two things:

1) Somehow proprietary

2) Extremely overpriced
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+1
 
This would be neat, I hate getting grease all over my pointer finger. But I am definitely waiting for temps before purchasing. Hopefully other companies can come out with competeing products.
 
beowulf7 said:
When I bought my the AMD Athlon 3200+ back in 2005, the CPU came with HSF that had a thermal pad on it. No paste needed, no messiness, it was great for stock. I wonder why the pad never caught on. But I guess this thermal sheet is a thinner version of that pad.


+1
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This is the only thing that should ever touch that thermal pad.
 
Burticus said:
Diamond paste? Really? Is it more expensive than the unicorn blood I have been using?
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Diamond dust really isn't that expensive, considering the small quantities you'd be using. Only gem quality diamonds are super expensive.
 
AliceCooper said:
This would be neat, I hate getting grease all over my pointer finger. But I am definitely waiting for temps before purchasing. Hopefully other companies can come out with competeing products.
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You're not from around here, are you?
 
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