Reddit Communities Go Private in Protest Over Policy Adjustments

LukeTbk said:
Because Reddit need moderation to sell ads, they probably have a quite good deal of power, maybe Reddit will buy them with some payment deal.

Maybe they should have closed the apis at the same time Twitter-Facebook did it around 10 years ago
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I don't think the mods of any decent sized subreddit actually help with advertising for Reddit the company. The mods do get rid of some of the spam, but they do almost nothing to stop bots. Reddit is like 90% bots. Almost all the top posts and comments are just reposts by karma farming bots. Or a new post that is just pushed to the front by bot frams upvoting and commenting on it. Mods have and do receive money from advertisers to promote their products and remove negativity about their products, and this is money not going to Reddit as a company, it's going to the mods. The reason people mod for "free" is they aren't doing it for free, or they're doing it to promote their shitty political agenda. Neither of which is actually good for Reddit as a company.

Reddit's design isn't good for anything but memes anyways. Voting ruins any serious discourse and just turns it into a popularity contest. People upvote what they to see and downvote what they don't want to see. They don't care about logic or truth.
 
sharknice said:
I don't think the mods of any decent sized subreddit actually help with advertising for Reddit the company. The mods do get rid of some of the spam, but they do almost nothing to stop bots. Reddit is like 90% bots. Almost all the top posts and comments are just reposts by karma farming bots. Or a new post that is just pushed to the front by bot frams upvoting and commenting on it. Mods have and do receive money from advertisers to promote their products and remove negativity about their products, and this is money not going to Reddit as a company, it's going to the mods. The reason people mod for "free" is they aren't doing it for free, or they're doing it to promote their shitty political agenda. Neither of which is actually good for Reddit as a company.

Reddit's design isn't good for anything but memes anyways. Voting ruins any serious discourse and just turns it into a popularity contest. People upvote what they to see and downvote what they don't want to see. They don't care about logic or truth.
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there's more to reddit than the political and news subs. you can turn off/unsub from all the bot subs
 
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sharknice said:
I don't think the mods of any decent sized subreddit actually help with advertising for Reddit the company. The mods do get rid of some of the spam, but they do almost nothing to stop bots
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You can adjusts ads value with bot estimate, moderation is a lot about removing content advertiser do not want to be associated with
sharknice said:
The reason people mod for "free" is they aren't doing it for free, or they're doing it to promote their shitty political agenda. Neither of which is actually good for Reddit as a company.
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Obviously depends on well align with the political agenda of ads dollars/ ads middlemen sellers.

sharknice said:
Mods have and do receive money from advertisers to promote their products and remove negativity about their products, and this is money not going to Reddit as a company, it's going to the mods.
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Yes, but obviously it pleases companies that have now a better chance to buy ads on the platform.

Mod-users forced a CEO out in Elle Pao, without moderator how does reddit does not turn into some 4chan and how do you monetize that to the level Reddit want ?
 
LukeTbk said:
Mod-users forced a CEO out in Elle Pao, without moderator how does reddit does not turn into some 4chan and how do you monetize that to the level Reddit want ?
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Forums are a shit (ad) business model to begin with, Kyle can correct me if so.
 
staknhalo said:
Forums are a shit (ad) business model to begin with, Kyle can correct me if so.
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They have very low by users revenues I think yes for a social media platform, but in 2021 is was estimated to be 400-440m in revenues for Reddit, but how else do you suggest they get revenues from ?

As long has mod are the gatekeeper to the platform pretty much 100% of their revenues combined with the very natural ability to always talk to each others and organize with little to nothing too loose anyway really, they should have great power over it.
 
"Democracy and voting is the bestest, until it can be used to vote me out"
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NightReaver said:
"Democracy and voting is the bestest, until it can be used to vote me out"
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Reddit has no plan beyond the IPO. Huffman and the higher ups are dying to cash out - once that happens, the decay will accelerate as Reddit tries to claw as much wealth from the space between the users and the advertisers as humanly possible, then sell it for whatever they can get before it becomes worthless. Then, once it’s “mature” - in this case meaning it’s in active decline - Reddit will be acquired by some benighted new management, further decaying as the new stewardship grows eager to gain whatever they can out of their acquisition, until it’s eventually sold for parts or kept in a geriatric little pocket and slowly, interminably wrung out.

This is what mass surveillance capitalism always does to prominent web properties, on one time table or another. The only thing making Reddit special was the community, which is being actively undermined in pursuit of money.
 
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staknhalo said:
I suggest reddit die and instead of having one site for all forums for all topics in/under one convenient target you go back to individual sites and individual forums for topics
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Agreed. Terrible site. Recently I wanted to look back at a post I bought something from 2+ years ago to see how much I paid. To my dismay Reddit doesn't even let you search your own post history. Garbage.
 
NightReaver said:
Agreed. Terrible site. Recently I wanted to look back at a post I bought something from 2+ years ago to see how much I paid. To my dismay Reddit doesn't even let you search your own post history. Garbage.
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Yep, and it's considered bad etiquette there to reference anyone else's post history from what I've seen lol :rolleyes:.
 
Given Reddit's Antifa-esque crowd, i'm surprised they're not up in arms about even the sheer concept of any data being available, much less "paid".
 
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Yeah, democracy makes for terrible forums. They really need to be ruled with an iron fist, or you get garbage like reddit, IMHO. Democracy happens at another layer; if you don't like Kyle's rules, find another forum or start your own (but good luck attracting users and don't expect to make money).
 
toast0 said:
Yeah, democracy makes for terrible forums. They really need to be ruled with an iron fist, or you get garbage like reddit, IMHO. Democracy happens at another layer; if you don't like Kyle's rules, find another forum or start your own (but good luck attracting users and don't expect to make money).
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Reddit is a terrible "forum". They deserve it :D
 
This situation gets funnier the more it goes on. So the mods who run the subreddits aren't getting paid, so they can shut them down indefinitely. Reddit removes them, reinstates the subreddits and starts looking for new mods.
toast0 said:
Yeah, democracy makes for terrible forums. They really need to be ruled with an iron fist, or you get garbage like reddit, IMHO. Democracy happens at another layer; if you don't like Kyle's rules, find another forum or start your own (but good luck attracting users and don't expect to make money).
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Reddit is a pretty important resource because it's more of a Democracy. When Reddit collapses then people will go someplace else. The whole reason this is happening is because they know companies will use Reddit to train their AI, and they want to cash in. It is that open Democracy that makes Reddit so valuable for AI training.
 
sharknice said:
It's funny when hacker groups like this try to pretend they're the good guys by throwing in a related "current thing" with their ransom. What do they hope to accomplish with that?
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“The hackers say they are demanding $4.5 million in exchange for deleting the stolen data and for Reddit to withdraw its API pricing changes.”

Seems like such a paltry sum to pay and pales in comparison to the damages to ensue from the leaking of confidential data including allegations of hush monies being paid out on behalf of the senior executives to cover for salacious and scandalous activities straight out the corporate coffers of course
 
PeaKr said:
Sad, reddit was pretty great back in the day, not any more. Remember aphorisms like 'kill your TV' and 'Question Everything'? Objective thinking is dead it seems.
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Remember when reddit liked Ron Paul, a..... gasp... REPUBLICAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 😱💀 Edit: I should say, conservative, not Republican, my bad
 
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I think it's safe to say the reddit protests failed. Competition fixes these sort of situations, not temporary protests.
 
Just go back to USENET, then you don't have to worry about one provider rugpulling you...so much. :LOL:

Not like reddit is much better anyway, although I do admit they have a lot of easily accessible info...you can only find it bc search engines rank it so high above other sites.
 
sfsuphysics said:
was playing a game yesterday and trying to find information about it via searching... and of course most of the useful looking posts were at reddit which gave me that crap.
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Ditto! For hardware and some games, some recent searches resulted in a bunch of Reddit hits. All were private and had me going "What the heck is this? Are they trying to get us to download their app so they can mine our data?". I tried it for a few days a while back and would get bombarded with notifications from subreddits I never followed nor visited, even after turning off notifications.
 
Nobu said:
Just go back to USENET, then you don't have to worry about one provider rugpulling you...so much. :LOL:

Not like reddit is much better anyway, although I do admit they have a lot of easily accessible info...you can only find it bc search engines rank it so high above other sites.
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i wish.. no matter how much i intentionally try to force googles shitty algorithm to give me reddit results first i have to manually add it to the search to give me reddit results. same thing with searching reviews.. always gives me arstech, tom's hardware and the verge then a bunch of useless no name sites i've never heard of. i have to go to page 2 to find the shit i want.
 
sirmonkey1985 said:
i wish.. no matter how much i intentionally try to force googles shitty algorithm to give me reddit results first i have to manually add it to the search to give me reddit results. same thing with searching reviews.. always gives me shitty arstech, tom's hardware and the verge then a bunch of useless no name sites i've never heard of. i have to go to page 2 to find the shit i want.
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Don't use Goog. :p
No but seriously, I stopped using goog. Never get relevant results there anymore. Other search engines aren't much better, but they are better. Still have to quote terms so they aren't just tossed out of results for reasons, though.
 
sirmonkey1985 said:
i wish.. no matter how much i intentionally try to force googles shitty algorithm to give me reddit results first i have to manually add it to the search to give me reddit results. same thing with searching reviews.. always gives me arstech, tom's hardware and the verge then a bunch of useless no name sites i've never heard of. i have to go to page 2 to find the shit i want.
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Is some of its illegal ??? What do they even mean here:

Some Subreddits Are Now Filled With Porn To Protest Reddit​

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An anonymous reader shares a report: A handful of subreddits have classified themselves as not safe for work (NSFW) to protest Reddit's recent treatment of the platform's volunteer moderators, and as a result, some non-porn communities are starting to get a lot of porn. More than 8,000 subreddits went dark last week in protest of the company's API pricing changes that are set to shut down popular third-party apps. But as the protests went on, Reddit started to push back. In an interview with The Verge, CEO Steve Huffman said that, while the platform allows the protests, "the users are not in support of it now. It's like a protest in a city that goes on too long, and the rest of the citizens of the city would like to go about their lives."

In an interview with NBC News, Huffman characterized moderators as "landed gentry." And some mods have felt threatened by messages sent to them by the company. Thousands of subreddits have reopened; one tracker indicates only about 3,300 remain private or restricted. But switching to NSFW creates a new level of friction in reopened communities.
 
LukeTbk said:
What do you suggest being possibly illegal, either in the message you quoted or the part of the text you posted ?
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Regardless of whether or not it's illegal, Reddit's already put most of the subs back in line by threatening to remove mods that aren't compliant. It's a short step to replace the mod(s) of these subs, too.

 
LukeTbk said:
What do you suggest being possibly illegal, either in the message you quoted or the part of the text you posted ?
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All I know is pornhub almost lost its shirt with payment providers pulling the plug due to them being unable to verify all the amateur porn from unauthorized revenge & ransomware porn but not limited to and others ++

Seems bad
 
erek said:
All I know is pornhub almost lost its shirt with payment providers pulling the plug due to them being unable to verify all the amateur porn from unauthorized revenge & ransomware porn but not limited to and others ++

Seems bad
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In this case would it not be porn creator posting their own content (with scripts that search for nsfw subreddit to automatically post it) ?
 
erek said:
All I know is pornhub almost lost its shirt with payment providers pulling the plug due to them being unable to verify all the amateur porn from unauthorized revenge & ransomware porn but not limited to and others ++

Seems bad
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You could just post super vintage images where copyright and the people pictured have expired.
 
They deserve what they're getting, shutting down for a couple days was never going to change anything. Pretty much everything is back open and back to normal. Americans have no backbone whatsoever.
 
Decko87 said:
They deserve what they're getting, shutting down for a couple days was never going to change anything. Pretty much everything is back open and back to normal. Americans have no backbone whatsoever.
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Shutting down permanently wasn't going to change anything either. Admins would just come in and replace them and open the sub back up.

Reddit mods don't work for reddit. They're users who literally and simply donate their time towards needed operation of the site/business plan. They think donating their time gives them some sort of say because they got too high over the power they were self experiencing being a mod over other users, when really it just makes them dumb chumps helping some other random company not even their own or one they're employed by, for free (there's other factors like literal paid propaganda from outside parties mods push in certain subs etc which is their $motive$ for being/staying a mod as well).

Mods literally have no clue what game they're playing here. They have no position.

Edit: And reddit has a shit business plan and is cool with unjustly stifling wrongthink so I'm just here like

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staknhalo said:
Shutting down permanently wasn't going to change anything either. Admins would just come in and replace them and open the sub back up.

Reddit mods don't work for reddit. They're users who literally and simply donate their time towards needed operation of the site/business plan. They think donating their time gives them some sort of say because they got too high over the power they were self experiencing being a mod over other users, when really it just makes them dumb chumps helping some other random company not even their own or one they're employed by, for free (there's other factors like literal paid propaganda from outside parties mods push in certain subs etc which is their $motive$ for being/staying a mod as well).

Mods literally have no clue what game they're playing here. They have no position.

Edit: And reddit has a shit business plan and is cool with unjustly stifling wrongthink so I'm just here like

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At the very least, let them remove you, if you actually gave a shit you'd give up your "power" position as a mod. Who cares that site sucks anyway.
 
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