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I don’t know if my XFX 7900XT reference card makes a cool whine sound because I’m old, I’ve been to a lot of concerts without ear protection, I shoot a lot and I often use power tools so I probably couldn’t hear it if it did whine. Maybe you guys should take up noisier hobbies?
Techpowerup tells you how many power phases cards have, in their reviews. Look at the "circuitboard analysis" section:Hi yet again! I'd like to ask which of the RX 7800 XT models might have the best overall power delivery? I have just read more about coil whine and some interesting facts about why it happens and how it can be avoided. Generally, more phased out power delivery should be better, since a single component is less strained then, but by all means correct and educate about this if you happen to be in the know. I certainly would like to know more, but the question remains, which model has the best VRM design? There are various differences I've been reading about, but they are not that dramatic it seems. Perhaps the Powercolor Red Devil is the best? What's your take on this, any recommendations?
About my case: The Hellhound model I sent back and if it can be swapped to another model, I'll gladly pay some extra for a more premium one, for both good service and to have an ever greater chance to avoid the whine, or have it less at least and less audible.
PS. The XFX models are not available at the store in question.
The gigabyte card is known to have the noisiest fans, of all the 3 fan 7800 XT.Ok. I actually checked the phase counts on TPU and on various other sites. TPU doesn't have a review of Gigabyte's model (the company only introduced a single model this time), which according to eTeknix has 14 phases total: "In terms of the VRM setup, the card features 14 phases in total which are split between 8 for the GPU, 2 for the SOC, 2 for the memory and 2 for other smaller components." I think that Gigabyte's model looks good, it's not too big, not too noisy for me, even if it appears to be the noisiest model, and build quality seems solid too, but I was asking if you know or understand something more in-depth than only the amount and dedication of phases. Is there any reason regarding coil whine or power consumption to choose this Gigabyte over, for example, the Red Devil, or perhaps vice versa? And why do you Enigma recommend particularly Sapphire, not differentiating between the Pulse, Nitro+ and Pure. I'm happy that Sapphire has upped their warranty from two to three years at some point. Asrock offers only two years.
For anyone else wondering the differences between models, this site has a nice round-up of a few of them in a rather informative and staightforward manner.
True, I'll be sure to check some of those later. Immediately though, I was faced by the new (to me) frame in the picture.The gigabyte card is known to have the noisiest fans, of all the 3 fan 7800 XT.
As far as coil whine: IMO the best way to predict it, is to check Newegg user reviews.
Asrock Phantom Gaming has sag prevention without a separate bracket).
If you mean the extra metal piece at the top edge of the card: The Nitro+ has a metal supporte piece which connects to most of the PCB, underneath the heatsink. Check out Techpowerup's review of the Nitro+, to see disassembled pics.
The most unique feature of the Nitro+, is a fan header for a case fan. Which will run it in-sync with the native speed control of the card's own fans. Also, Sapphire's cards are designed to easily remove the fans for cleaning or replacment, without removing the entire heatsink. This, combined with the fan header, whould allow you to easily use case fans instead of the GPU's fans, to cool the heatsink.
Coil whine is truly rampant and it doesn't matter what level of card you get. That said, based on user reviews: Sapphire cards seem to fair a bit better for coil whine, on the AMD side. XFX, as well.
the support piece built onto the Asrock and the frame integrated into the Nitro+, are for card flex of the main part of the PCB, not flex or sag in the PCIe slot.I have seen the pics but the card would still sag, you will realize this immediately when you slot the Nitro+. This is why the support bracket comes along. I cannot say if Asrock's solution actually works, I simply read about it from their site and reviews and thought it could. Nitro+ has a nice fan header indeed, which I personally do not see using, but the 'quick fan connect' feature is gone as far as I know (at least on RX 7800 XT), which was a cool feature. I can believe XFX cards are decent this time since I recall they were not that great in RX 5000 series and was the situation the same in RX 6000? What I'm saying is, when a company disappoints they usually cannot afford to do it again, even twice may be too much. Reputation goes down fast so you have to prove yourself by offering something over the others, usually cutting the margins a bit, but this is just speculation from me, I'm still in the process of checking those XFX models more thoroughly, so...
Do you mean that "coil whine is rampant" on current Radeon cards, since I didn't have any coil whine on my exchanged RTX 4070 (Gigabyte Windforce OC) and it seems many others do not either, though the comparison should be made between cards of same power consumption and I'm curious if Geforce cards are generally better built regarding coil whine. What's your take on this? I'm fully aware that you can have whine on Geforce, since I have lately read so many threads about the whine generally, but I personally do not recall having it on that vendor, which might be pure luck, although I have never had any extremely power hungry model from them. This current Radeon might just be the most consuming card I have ever had actually.
the support piece built onto the Asrock and the frame integrated into the Nitro+, are for card flex of the main part of the PCB, not flex or sag in the PCIe slot.
coil whine is rampant across all GPUs.
I've had coil whine on the last few cards I have owned. I posted this in another thread but:
EVGA RTX 2060 (still have as my emergency backup. Coil whine was really bad. Card also has issues unless I use Afterburner to power limit to 80% or less. I flashed it with the bios of a different model EVGA 2060 and the coil whine is about half as bad. But the power limit issue still persists)
EVGA RTX 2080 (loud coil whine. artifacted and died within 2 days. returned)
Sapphire RX 6700 XT Pulse (had major problems on arrival. Never ran even remotely smooth. Had whine anytime it processed a frame. returned for refund, as they didn't have any supply for a replacement)
Gigabyte RX 6600 XT Gaming OC (coil whine is definitely present. More than I would like, but not terrible. I bought it open box. Card is otherwise rock solid. I used it for about 1 year and then used it in a build for some kids).
AMD RX 6700 XT (Coil whine was pretty bad and sounded somehow more electric than other cards. Otherwise, a good card. Eventually sold it.)
MSI RTX 4070 Ti Ventus 3x (fan bearings made a friction sound, which sounded like a gas leak. coil whine was also pretty loud. I returned it).
Gigabyte RTX 4070 Windforce (Coil whine is present, but pretty low in volume. Otherwise a rock solid card. Currently using).
I also tried an open box Gigabyte Gaming OC 7900 XTX, and it had some coil whine. The whine was interestingly lower in tone and throatier than usual. So, not so bad I guess. I returned the card because it didn't fit into my case (I built the PC outside the case, to test the card.)
Of all these cards, the Gigabyte RTX 4070 and Gaming OC 7900 XTX have had the lowest volume/least annoying.
I have also moved a few times and gone through various hardware, including power supplies. enough different hardware, that my computer has been COMPLETELY new, at least twice, over the past 4 years (7th gen Intel, 10th gen, 11th gen, 12th gen, 13th gen. Zen 2, Zen 3, Zen 4). So, there is no common denominator, such as a poor quality power supply or potentially bad wiring in a house, etc. I have also had a lot of bad luck with hardware over the past 4 years, in general. 2 different bad power supplies, bad set of DDR5, a few bad capture cards, bad GPUs, bad sound chip on a mobo, physical quality issues on two mobos, fan quality issues, dead and cloudy pixels in an OLED monitor, etc.
Your ears should be studied by scientists and preserved for future generations to learn from. I must be going deaf at the ripe old age of 36 because I can't hear a damn thing from my 7900 xtx reference card. The only time it was noticeable for me was on my Sapphire Fury Nitro in like 2015.the support piece built onto the Asrock and the frame integrated into the Nitro+, are for card flex of the main part of the PCB, not flex or sag in the PCIe slot.
coil whine is rampant across all GPUs.
I've had coil whine on the last few cards I have owned. I posted this in another thread but:
EVGA RTX 2060 (still have as my emergency backup. Coil whine was really bad. Card also has issues unless I use Afterburner to power limit to 80% or less. I flashed it with the bios of a different model EVGA 2060 and the coil whine is about half as bad. But the power limit issue still persists)
EVGA RTX 2080 (loud coil whine. artifacted and died within 2 days. returned)
Sapphire RX 6700 XT Pulse (had major problems on arrival. Never ran even remotely smooth. Had whine anytime it processed a frame. returned for refund, as they didn't have any supply for a replacement)
Gigabyte RX 6600 XT Gaming OC (coil whine is definitely present. More than I would like, but not terrible. I bought it open box. Card is otherwise rock solid. I used it for about 1 year and then used it in a build for some kids).
AMD RX 6700 XT (Coil whine was pretty bad and sounded somehow more electric than other cards. Otherwise, a good card. Eventually sold it.)
MSI RTX 4070 Ti Ventus 3x (fan bearings made a friction sound, which sounded like a gas leak. coil whine was also pretty loud. I returned it).
Gigabyte RTX 4070 Windforce (Coil whine is present, but pretty low in volume. Otherwise a rock solid card. Currently using).
I also tried an open box Gigabyte Gaming OC 7900 XTX, and it had some coil whine. The whine was interestingly lower in tone and throatier than usual. So, not so bad I guess. I returned the card because it didn't fit into my case (I built the PC outside the case, to test the card.)
Of all these cards, the Gigabyte RTX 4070 and Gaming OC 7900 XTX have had the lowest volume/least annoying.
I have also moved a few times and gone through various hardware, including power supplies. enough different hardware, that my computer has been COMPLETELY new, at least twice, over the past 4 years (7th gen Intel, 10th gen, 11th gen, 12th gen, 13th gen. Zen 2, Zen 3, Zen 4). So, there is no common denominator, such as a poor quality power supply or potentially bad wiring in a house, etc. I have also had a lot of bad luck with hardware over the past 4 years, in general. 2 different bad power supplies, bad set of DDR5, a few bad capture cards, bad GPUs, bad sound chip on a mobo, physical quality issues on two mobos, fan quality issues, dead and cloudy pixels in an OLED monitor, etc.
I didn't read everything before, but I had very big problems with the cases, my sound cards wouldn't fit,but also other components, I had a lot of cases and none of them were good for me, currently this inwin 303 is not 100% correct as far as slots for components are concerned.Hi again! Finally the issue is most likely clear: Do not mind the other thread I started, because I already actually have a new mobo; it seems the GPU simply does not fully go into the PCI-E slot perhaps because of the case, but strangely, I have had three other GPUs in this case which slotted just fine. Kind of noobish to send the GPU to warranty in such a situation, actually twice which of course resulted in them senting it back to me, but honestly I have never faced such an issue or happened to heard of one, but now that I have googled about it quite extensively, there are many many threads about this. One common solution is to bend the metallic plate where the display connectors are, the part(s) that goes in between the case and the motherboard, just ever so slightly to make the teeths sink in, but I'm not doing this before the retailer tells me if it affects the warranty or not. In the meantime, do you have any other suggestions here? I notice that the PCI-E connector, the golden contacts, are slightly visible when the GPU is slotted, when they should not be visible at all, and the part where screws goes in, is very slightly hoovering, not fully leaning on the case. Thanks if you can help, it would be very much appreciated!
Anyway, it's very annoying, I know how it is.Strange bird I understand your PC currently works, has it's components all in, but if not, for now, I can only suggest to adjust the motherboard either height or otherwise, like unscrewing it a bit and moving to any direction by any possible amount (not always possible I'd assume because of the connector panel). I'm simultaneously waiting any suggestions from the retailer and I will surely tell those here if they are of any relevance.
Be patient with such issues I may remind, do not use force and by so brake something, because normally components go in without issues. If there is no solution to be had, perhaps modify the case rather than fiddle with the components, because after all the case is just metal and plastic - think throughoutly first though. In my case it almost seems like the GPU is weird somehow, but for sure I cannot say. One thing might be that it's about the three slot design, since I recall that the current Sapphire RX 7800 XT Nitro+ is my first such card, so perhaps one of the "slots" in the case, where the teeths dive in, is misaligned (case is Fractal Design Meshify 2 Compact).