4060 announced

It's situational here but I think RTX 4060 is an excellent card for its power efficiency when compare to RTX 3060 12GB when doing distributed computing (DC) only and considering the high cost of electricity in where I live.

4060 vs 3060 default TDP difference is 55W (115W vs 170W). Currently it is 39 cents per kWHr (PG&E is my provider) but will go up to 45-50 cents per kWHr in summer. Will know exactly when I get my next month bill. Conservatively if I run the gpus for 9 months in a year just crunching my favorite projects, the savings in the electricity bill would be 0.055kWHr x 24hrs/day x $0.39 perKWHr x (9/12 x 365 days/yr) = $140.93.

6700XT default TDP is 230W and double the 4060. Just for doing DC, I would go for 4060 rather than 6700XT if I were thinking of starting DC hobby from scratch with $300 budget. Anyway I have enough cards on hand already :p
 
pututu said:
It's situational here but I think RTX 4060 is an excellent card for its power efficiency when compare to RTX 3060 12GB when doing distributed computing (DC) only and considering the high cost of electricity in where I live.

4060 vs 3060 default TDP difference is 55W (115W vs 170W). Currently it is 39 cents per kWHr (PG&E is my provider) but will go up to 45-50 cents per kWHr in summer. Will know exactly when I get my next month bill. Conservatively if I run the gpus for 9 months in a year just crunching my favorite projects, the savings in the electricity bill would be 0.055kWHr x 24hrs/day x $0.39 perKWHr x (9/12 x 365 days/yr) = $140.93.

6700XT default TDP is 230W and double the 4060. Just for doing DC, I would go for 4060 rather than 6700XT if I were thinking of starting DC hobby from scratch with $300 budget. Anyway I have enough cards on hand already :p
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Yes, Nvidia's noteworthy progression or 'perk' on the 40 series is the efficiency of the cards - AMD doesn't have this - the 7900 or 7900 XTX cannot touch Nvidia in the power consumption/efficiency dept. - even a 4090 is a pretty efficient card for what it is. That might not matter to most but ppl in Europe/EU for e.g. with high electricity rates/costs, it might.

Also, one could suggest the theory - lower power/more efficient card doesn't have to work as hard - so, you might have lower temps - clock for clock? I dunno - just throwing that out there.

Both AMD and Nvidia have really awful lower tier - low end card values - these cards are gimped/crippled, whatever you want to call it - they are cut down this gen - unless, you go to their top flagships.

Anyway, I would just wait - for used cards to show up on the market - save a bit of $$ and help out a seller's bottom line rather than giving $$ to Nvidia or AMD but that's just me. Buying direct - is good for (an unused card) warranty, yes, I know.
 
Can Frame generation help a E5 2697v2? Also w/ a 12400F in 20 games. Plus comparison between the ol' 2060.

 
pavel said:
That might not matter to most but ppl in Europe/EU for e.g. with high electricity rates/costs, it might.
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I remember der8auer did a video on the 4060 Ti power saving benefit in the long run over the 3060 Ti for people paying high electricity rates in Germany. I would say most people will lean towards the performance vs cost of the cards rather than how much electricity cost they can save over a long period since the electricity cost impact is not immediate.
 
pututu said:
It's situational here but I think RTX 4060 is an excellent card for its power efficiency when compare to RTX 3060 12GB when doing distributed computing (DC) only and considering the high cost of electricity in where I live.

4060 vs 3060 default TDP difference is 55W (115W vs 170W). Currently it is 39 cents per kWHr (PG&E is my provider) but will go up to 45-50 cents per kWHr in summer. Will know exactly when I get my next month bill. Conservatively if I run the gpus for 9 months in a year just crunching my favorite projects, the savings in the electricity bill would be 0.055kWHr x 24hrs/day x $0.39 perKWHr x (9/12 x 365 days/yr) = $140.93.

6700XT default TDP is 230W and double the 4060. Just for doing DC, I would go for 4060 rather than 6700XT if I were thinking of starting DC hobby from scratch with $300 budget. Anyway I have enough cards on hand already :p
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What you seem not to grasp is that it's an efficient card because it should be a 50 class card. It has no business being a 60 class card with such a pathetic increase over the last generation especially coupled with a decrease in VRAM. If you're so worried about total operating cost then you should worry that this card should not even be a $300 card in the first place. And are you going to drive yourself crazy calculating how much power usage every other freaking thing in your house uses? Are you going to worry about cutting back on every single other aspect of your life also? To take one specific thing and focus on it is just silly.
 
jobert said:
What you seem not to grasp is that it's an efficient card because it should be a 50 class card. It has no business being a 60 class card with such a pathetic increase over the last generation especially coupled with a decrease in VRAM.
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The discussions on whether the 4060 should be 4050 or the msrp price should be lower have been beaten to death whenever any new 4000 series card is launched other than 4090. I'm just pointing out a specific situation (read the first three words in my first post above) where 4060 can bring benefit over 3060 or 6700XT in DC.
jobert said:
And are you going to drive yourself crazy calculating how much power usage every other freaking thing in your house uses? Are you going to worry about cutting back on every single other aspect of your life also?
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Believe me, you underestimated my calculating nature in my daily life especially when it comes to decision making process.
jobert said:
To take one specific thing and focus on it is just silly
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Not silly. Out of the many negative reviews on 4060 I'm just pointing out where 4060 can shine. Even de8bauer acknowledges the power saving benefit of 4060 Ti versus 3060 Ti here using a specific situation in his country.
 
pututu said:
The discussions on whether the 4060 should be 4050 or the msrp price should be lower have been beaten to death whenever any new 4000 series card is launched other than 4090. I'm just pointing out a specific situation (read the first three words in my first post above) where 4060 can bring benefit over 3060 or 6700XT in DC.

Believe me, you underestimated my calculating nature in my daily life especially when it comes to decision making process.

Not silly. Out of the many negative reviews on 4060 I'm just pointing out where 4060 can shine. Even de8bauer acknowledges the power saving benefit of 4060 Ti versus 3060 Ti here using a specific situation in his country.
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You are getting a tiny 107 die and what should be considered 50 class performance for this gen so of course the power consumption looks better. It is laughable to praise the power consumption compared to last gen though without also looking at the perf increase which is pathetic and even can lose to the 3060 in some rare cases.

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jobert said:
You are getting a tiny 107 die and what should be considered 50 class performance for this gen so of course the power consumption looks better. It is laughable to praise the power consumption compared to last gen though without also looking at the perf increase which is pathetic and even can lose to the 3060 in some rare cases.
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Neither one of us are wrong. I'm coming from DC perspective for e.g. folding@home which is a popular DC project and you are coming from a gaming perspective. Ray tracing is a lighting algorithm that brings more realism to gaming. It does not help to improve the molecular computational speed in folding@home project for example.

The closest benchmark to a general DC performance that I can find is openCL compute performance where 4060 on average is about 14.6% better than 3060 12GB despite having a tiny chip, less VRAM and way more power efficient which is my main focus here for general DC projects.

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Brent's review shows the 4060 is anywhere from 10-30% faster than the 3060. That matches NVIDIA's number of being 20% faster, on average. This lines up with other reviews I'm reading, as well.

https://www.thefpsreview.com/2023/06/28/asus-dual-geforce-rtx-4060-oc-edition-video-card-review/
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jobert said:
You are getting a tiny 107 die and what should be considered 50 class performance for this gen so of course the power consumption looks better. It is laughable to praise the power consumption compared to last gen though without also looking at the perf increase which is pathetic and even can lose to the 3060 in some rare cases.

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Weird.
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RTX 4060: Launches $30 cheaper than RTX 3060 + 20% performance increase over RTX 3060 + same VRAM as RTX 3060 = worst video card of the year!

RX 7600: Launches $30 cheaper than RX 6600 + 20% performance increase over RX 6600 + same VRAM as RX 6600 = best budget video card of the year!
 
Armenius said:
RTX 4060: Launches $30 cheaper than RTX 3060 + 20% performance increase over RTX 3060 + same VRAM as RTX 3060 = worst video card of the year!

RX 7600: Launches $30 cheaper than RX 6600 + 20% performance increase over RX 6600 + same VRAM as RX 6600 = best budget video card of the year!
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Umm... that 3060 came with 12 GB of VRAM. The 4060 only came with 8 GB.
 
Armenius said:
RTX 4060: Launches $30 cheaper than RTX 3060 + 20% performance increase over RTX 3060 + same VRAM as RTX 3060 = worst video card of the year!

RX 7600: Launches $30 cheaper than RX 6600 + 20% performance increase over RX 6600 + same VRAM as RX 6600 = best budget video card of the year!
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Feel like most of those statement are wrong, obvviously the 4060 did not had the 3060 12 gig of vram, but also wasn't the 7600 $60 ($270) cheaper at least than at launch than the 6600 ($330), I am not sure what was the street price of the 6600 at the time of the 7600 launch maybe it was closer to $300, tpu had it at $200

AMD says the RX 6600's suggested retail price is $329, compared to $379 for the 6600XT.

Has for 20% performance, there is no actual clear value, but techpowerup at launch had it a +26.6% @1080p and 1440p
 
GoldenTiger said:
The 8gb has proven out to be enough though, for the 1080p the card is designed for. Plus it takes less power.
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That's great if you're a 1080p gamer, I guess. I game at 1440p on a 2060 Super, so the current 4060 series offerings aren't much of an "upgrade" for me.

Maybe Nvidia will come to its senses and offer a reasonably priced "4060 Super" with better 1440p performance. If not, I'm sure that AMD or Intel will release a product like that eventually and eat Nvidia's lunch.
 
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